Benjamin Yeh is a enterprise and transformation coach and host of the Growth Imaginative and prescient Podcast, in addition to a dad, husband, and actual property investor—and a member of our non-public membership group for entrepreneurs, SPI Professional.
I spoke with Ben about his personal transformation and transition right into a profession that fulfills him and helps different high-performers discover their “why.”
Ray Sylvester: Are you able to give me slightly background in your path to changing into an entrepreneur? What you have been doing earlier than you began a enterprise, and what guided you to take the leap?
Benjamin Yeh: I’m in what I’d think about the third chapter of my profession. I began off as an actual property hospitality guide. I basically lived out of a suitcase for 4 years. It was an awesome studying and coaching floor, as a result of I really went to a graduate college to get an actual property grasp’s. I primarily labored with lodge house owners/builders, lodge administration corporations, meals & beverage and gaming trade.
It is humorous as a result of one among Pat’s tales resonates with me—I additionally went to CAL, and the day earlier than Christmas, I acquired laid off within the 2008 monetary disaster.
I do not forget that morning as I drove to work, I had the intestine feeling, “I believe they’re gonna lay me off,” and positive sufficient, that is what occurred. However I’ve realized in life, often when a door closes, one other one opens while you’re wanting in the fitting areas. And fortuitously for me, I had this superb alternative that got here up within the midst of being laid off the place, given my ability set and expertise, I might add worth to their group as an funding officer for a household workplace. A household workplace is only a fancy time period for an funding group. And the folks that I labored for have been the founders of Panda Specific, which is a family-owned enterprise.
The preliminary focus of the household workplace was to develop their actual property portfolio, so we bought retail facilities, workplace buildings, residences, and so forth. Inside a span of seven years, my group and I invested over $1 billion.
Throughout my time there, I additionally met my spouse. Once we acquired married and once we had our first child, I had this actually attention-grabbing imaginative and prescient. It was two weeks after my son was born. I used to be mendacity in mattress wanting up on the ceiling, and I had this flash imaginative and prescient of my two youngsters within the entrance yard of a home working round, having enjoyable. It appeared very joyful. And my spouse and I have been there, however I knew it was a imaginative and prescient of the long run as a result of on the time my spouse and I have been residing in an house, and we’d simply had our first youngster. However what was very odd and complicated for me was it appeared like on the outside everybody was joyful, however on the within I used to be not. I used to be feeling empty. I used to be not feeling the identical degree of happiness, and there was this large disconnect.
I used to be like, why do I’ve this disconnect? And so once I actually sat with it, what I got here to appreciate was wow, the trail that I used to be on was actually designed by others. It wasn’t a path that my soul actually wished to be on or wished to create.
And that was a tough capsule to swallow as a result of I felt like I used to be residing the American dream and constructing a profession that I am actually pleased with. However once I’d actually replicate, as an funding officer, I did not need my life to only be measured by only one quantity, which is IRR, proper? Inner price of return. I wished my life to be extra significant than that. My soul was craving to seek out and create extra that means.
And so just a few years later, after having that imaginative and prescient I made a decision, okay, I believe it is time for me to take that leap of religion and dive into the world of entrepreneurship. What do I actually need to do? As a result of within the time that I used to be there, not solely did we spend money on actual property, however I grew their different investments portfolio the place we invested in corporations (enterprise, non-public fairness, funds, and so forth.) throughout many alternative asset courses and industries. We checked out nearly all the pieces below the solar.
And so while you spend money on all these totally different corporations, and I’m working with the CEOs, I’ve a pure tendency, not simply solely speaking about KPIs and scorecards and numbers, however coming from a extra holistic perspective. At Panda they’re very huge on self-development, self-improvement. So my spouse and I’ve taken Landmark Schooling and Tony Robbins workshops. I additionally began my non secular journey once I met my spouse, experiencing thetahealing, Reiki therapeutic, the entire world of vitality work.
So after that imaginative and prescient, I began my third chapter with my entrepreneurship journey. It was nearly just like the intersection the place the three roads intertwined: my private progress, my skilled progress, and my non secular progress.
I left Panda in 2016. Since then, I’ve had totally different companies due to my distinctive background, not simply in finance, however investing, seeing so many alternative enterprise fashions, seeing so many individuals on the aspect of the desk after they’re pitching their thought or elevating capital, but in addition now being on the opposite aspect as an entrepreneur and elevating capital. I’ve had a blessed alternative to have the ability to sit in nearly all seats across the desk. This gave me a multi-perspective means to have a look at and determine issues, and discover the fitting options.
However the intersection of my private, skilled, and non secular progress acquired me into this place the place now once I need to coach folks, it is actually seeing it from a extra multidimensional perspective.
There are occasions once I pay attention to essentially profitable entrepreneurs who’ve constructed a profitable enterprise, went IPO, no matter it could be, but when their dwelling life and their life’s in shambles personally, then like, what did you do all of it for? Or when you’ve that a-ha second the place it is like, “Okay, possibly this can be a path I actually do not need to be on, the place I’ve misplaced that spark, that internal pleasure. How do I reclaim that spark, that internal happiness?” I went via that myself, so I actually perceive that ache level
My spouse could be very intuitive, and he or she’s informed me that via the final 10-plus years of understanding me, she is aware of my soul feels most alive once I’m teaching folks.
It is nearly like time goes away while you’re in that zone of genius. Once you’re in that movement, when time simply dissipates, it is often a sign that is one thing your soul’s meant to do. And when she made that statement, it was like, okay, what does that imply? And the way do I get on that path?
And in order that’s once I left Panda, and I actually began listening to Sensible Passive Earnings with Pat, together with his podcast and all the pieces. I used to be simply making an attempt to eat as a lot info as a result of my world again then in actual property/investing was very totally different versus a brand new path of my entrepreneurship journey.
My preliminary iteration was to take the world of Warren Buffett and Tony Robbins and discover some intersection. As a result of I knew numbers and investing, however then it developed to being extra of a holistic perspective, like, how will we construct a robust basis of physique and soul, after which construct success and enterprise on high of that? As a result of upon getting a normal thought of course, that is while you actually get in alignment with what your soul desires to create. That is when issues begin falling into place.
I’ve seen on my journey in entrepreneurship, there’s instances the place you are taking six steps ahead, however you retain getting knocked again 5 steps, and it is so tiring, proper? Once you’re nonetheless looking for that MVP, minimal viable product, you are looking for market adoption. The battle of entrepreneurship is actual. There’s instances when it appears like jamming a sq. peg right into a spherical gap. And once I actually zoom out, what I discovered is, nicely, is what I am pursuing in alignment with what I actually need to do, or is it actually simply to generate revenue? What’s my why? When there’s alignment, there’s magic!
One thing that gave me readability on the kind of teaching I do now was wishing there was a language on the market that existed for my thirty-year-old self to know once I had that imaginative and prescient: What do I do once I really feel caught? How do I course of that? Because I used to be very left-brained; I used to be one hundred percent logic primarily based. I might offer you a complete SWOT evaluation, cost-benefit evaluation. I’d be very detailed within the nuances of issues, however it was so entrenched within the ways and methods of life that I did not zoom out to essentially perceive what’s the fitting course?
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Ray: That second you had the imaginative and prescient, while you noticed an image of outward happiness however did not really feel it mirrored inside you—you stated it was just a few years afterward that you just really began to make adjustments. What was that interval like? Did the imaginative and prescient return? Did you concentrate on making adjustments in your life and your work?
Benjamin: Nice query. So once I first had the imaginative and prescient, it took me just a few months to essentially digest what I used to be feeling. However on the similar time too, being a first-time dad, it is like, there is not any actual guide on <laughs>—what do you do with this? Certain, there are books on parenting or whatnot. However while you’re a first-time dad, it is like, you recognize what, we’re gonna throw you within the deep finish and also you’re simply gonna determine it out. I used to be nonetheless sort of recalibrating a brand new life, which was being a father.
A part of my job on the time as an funding officer that was very fulfilling was working with a group and seeing one thing from starting to finish. There’s part of my success there, however by way of what my soul was craving for, I knew long run it was only a quantity.
It wasn’t till my son was a pair years older, it dawned on me: With regards to timing in entrepreneurship —you’ll be able to all the time attempt to await the fitting timing. However generally you simply have to leap out and fly and attempt to create your parachute on the way in which down. It is like, nicely, as soon as my youngsters are slightly bit older, I am gonna really feel as if my alternative value is gonna be larger to make a transfer than it’s now.
And that is once I had that second a-ha. I used to be like, I do know it would not make any sense. However I am going with my intestine right here. So I sat down with each principals and stated, “I believe my time right here has developed.” And I gave them six months’ discover so they may get the fitting group in place for a easy transition.
I wanted to provide myself the area to type issues out as a result of it was nearly like I used to be consuming out of two fireplace hoses on the similar time.
Being a father, there are particular life occasions that make you pause and reprioritize. A query I requested myself was, what do I need my youngsters to see and mannequin? In case you actually know one thing will not be the trail you’re on, are you keen to take the braveness to repair it and alter it? Regardless that you won’t know what’s on the opposite finish of the aspect, however to have that braveness to take action. Or is security one of the simplest ways to go?
And once I requested myself that query, it was like, you recognize what? I want to interrupt that cycle. I gotta present my youngsters what’s potential. I gotta do it.
Ray: What was the primary day like, after you left your full-time job? What did you try this day?
Benjamin: , for the primary few months I used to be simply decompressing. It was like, you recognize what, I am simply going to be with the household. I am simply gonna Netflix and chill. Have you ever ever heard that analogy the place the frog’s in a boiling pot? It would not know it is boiling till it jumps out. And as soon as I jumped out, I noticed, oh my God, that water was actually scorching. My physique and my thoughts simply wanted time to recalibrate. I did not understand I used to be sprinting a marathon nearly day by day, and I simply wanted to decompress.
As soon as I felt a bit extra at equilibrium, then concepts began coming in. And I began creating, and that is once I began consuming extra of SPI. It was additionally like, what’s on the market? I’ve seen virtually each single enterprise mannequin. However beginning one from scratch is a totally totally different muscle to coach and create. And so for me, it was nearly like a sport. It was like, okay, what’s an issue or void the place an answer is basically wanted?
After which I might speak it over with my spouse, like, “Hey, what do you consider this concept?” And we went via totally different concepts. A few of them, we knew immediately, “Nope. There isn’t any market adoption. Okay. Subsequent.”
I keep in mind initially we had this concept of making—we have been huge on wholesome meals. If we have a look at what youngsters are consuming now in school, it is nonetheless scorching canine, hamburgers, and sloppy joes. And it is like, wait, there’s gotta be a greater different. And since I used to work for a restaurant group, regardless that I am not an operator, it is like, wait a minute. What if there is a want to satisfy wholesome, natural meals for youths?
And so we did our market analysis; we have been happening that rabbit gap. We did a complete marketing strategy, professional forma, did a primary tasting, acquired a group in place. So it felt thrilling to be in that startup mode.
However after the primary tasting, we had an a-ha second as a result of everybody beloved the meals we created. However then the value level everybody was used to paying for lunch—we’re speaking about elementary college—is about $6.50 to $7. In case you really need an natural providing, it is gotta be a minimum of $8.50 to $9. And in case you’re not gonna purchase it greater than twice every week, if it is simply extra of a novelty, then I used to be telling my group, “That greenback and a half to $2, that is a giant hole within the meals trade. We do not actually have a sustainable enterprise.”
Ray: This was promoting to colleges instantly?
Benjamin: Initially, it was to promote to households of personal faculties, so we’d be working with faculties. Yeah. So, whether or not they have a cafeteria or not, some non-public faculties usually outsource that sort of operation. However then as soon as we did that first tasting and suggestions, it is like, “We have now a niche.” And it was a tough capsule to swallow, telling my group, “Okay, we do not actually have a enterprise, as a lot as I need this.” My group agreed with this conclusion so we determined to disband however preserve shut involved.
That is one among many paths of being an entrepreneur. You simply gotta check out and see what clicks, what would not. However on the time, I wasn’t asking an vital query: what’s actually in alignment with my soul? That half for me, which my spouse helped information me, is what led to the teaching that I do now.
Ray: I might love to listen to extra about how you bought into your teaching enterprise. And have been there different enterprise concepts you examined first, like the college meals one?
Benjamin: Yeah. [My current coaching business] was nearly like a 2.0 model. So the primary 1.0 model was after the college thought and we realized we did not have a enterprise. And my spouse was saying, “Hey, there’s this complete running a blog world and all the pieces.” That’s once I binged on consuming Pat’s podcast and blogs. And it was like, oh, wow, this world of running a blog, this world of online marketing. That is when the thought percolated on doing a hybrid between Warren Buffett and Tony Robbins.
I keep in mind shopping for Divi themes for WordPress and creating a web site. I had like 10 weblog posts up. I used to be actually about to publish and go dwell till I acquired a cellphone name from an outdated good friend saying, “Hey, Ben, my good friend is a startup founder. He is making an attempt to create this actual property startup. Do you thoughts assembly with him? I believe you guys will hit it off.” I used to be like, positive. Why not? So I took this assembly. We acquired to know one another, he informed me about his thought, and the following factor I do know, he’s making an attempt to enroll me to be the CEO of this actual property startup.
And I acquired shiny object syndrome. The thought of being a CEO startup was very interesting. In hindsight, it won’t have been for the fitting causes, however it’s like, okay, why do not I do that? As a result of I’ve the expertise, and I understand how to place this group and put this imaginative and prescient collectively. So I did not publish my web site. And I went down this aspect monitor of being in an actual property startup and elevating VC cash and the entire works.
However towards the tail finish of doing that for a full 12 months, regardless that it’s one thing I knew the best way to do, I’ll be sincere—I used to be depressing in direction of the tip. As a result of the stress degree of doing a startup, it is all the time a race towards the clock. And I noticed that how I confirmed up at dwelling, was probably not somebody I wished to be. I used to be very quick with my youngsters. I turned short-tempered. And I used to be like, you recognize what? This isn’t a wholesome stability. And once I sat with it, I used to be like, I believe I did this for not essentially for the fitting causes.
And so I had a extremely sincere speak with my co-founder and group. I stated, “Hey, let me simply be an advisor, as a result of I am not gonna present up as one of the best individual you should lead this cost.”
After I exited, my community began asking, as a result of they knew me as an actual property individual, “Hey, do you need to begin this actual property group?” And once more, it pulled me again into my outdated second chapter. And since that was a world I knew nicely, I sort of went with the movement.
Then I used to be up one night time doing Excel professional forma spreadsheets as due diligence on a possible acquisition. I have been doing that each one my life. But it surely was like, I do not need to do one other professional forma once more. As a lot as I understand how to do it, it brings me no pleasure. And it gave me a flashback of that imaginative and prescient I’d had with my youngsters. Like, wait, what brings me pleasure? I’ve not answered that query. I have been exploring, however I actually have not been coronary heart centered with what meaning to me.
So I appeared again on the outdated web site that I used to be about to publish 2 years in the past. And I learn via all of the blogs I might written, and it was very numbers and knowledge pushed. It was not very heart-centered. And the place I used to be in life and the way I’d developed made me understand, wow, that was my outdated self. I’ve actually developed from that. So I am unable to simply publish that. It would not actually converse to the place I’m in life.
Throughout that interval of self-realization, my uncle handed away. He was just like the cool uncle you can simply be your self with, some very expensive to me. And it was a type of main life occasions that made me rethink my priorities. It is like, wait, life is so quick, and I wanna do one thing significant that is gonna make my coronary heart sing. Sure, I’ve all these different companies with partnerships, however the one which brings me probably the most pleasure is teaching—however teaching in a means that I outline it.
And that is once I created my web site, and once I realized I wished to create my very own podcast, I enrolled in Energy-Up Podcasting, and I began that journey.
And it was humorous, as a result of I went via it. I recorded my first episode. I listened to it, and I used to be like, that’s how my voice sounds? <laughs> Who the hell is gonna wanna take heed to me? I used to be like, nobody’s gonna take heed to me like that. My voice sounds so bizarre. And I actually hit pause for six months.
Then my spouse was taking a vitamin class, and one among her instructors stated one thing that resonated together with her, that she stated to me, and it was precisely what I wanted to listen to: “Once you’re nervous, give attention to service.”
And what dawned on me once I heard that quote was that pondering my voice sounds bizarre makes all of it about me. It is not about me. That is not my intention for why I wanna create this podcast. It is about serving others. If my message, regardless of how foolish I would sound, can serve folks, it is the fitting factor to do.
In order that’s once I went again, and inside a weekend I’d recorded my second and third episodes. I keep in mind one of many ways Pat shared within the class was banking just a few episodes for while you launch. So I acquired 4 episodes within the financial institution, then I launched the Growth Imaginative and prescient Podcast initially of September 2021.
And that is when it set me down a extremely totally different path, at the side of launching my teaching web site.
I’d been teaching folks advert hoc over the previous decade, however it’s like, no, I wanna be extra heartfelt in rising my follow. My teaching is extra coronary heart centered. And it’s serving to folks discover their goal, their true north. Upon getting the course, then we will go into the methods and ways on the way you’re gonna implement the imaginative and prescient and execute. But when somebody simply involves me saying, “I want a framework to get me from six to seven figures, 7 figures to eight figures,” it is like, I am not the fitting individual for you.
Enterprise isn’t simply ones and zeros. You’ve acquired to essentially authentically perceive what path your soul desires to create as a result of while you do, issues simply begin aligning. You are not going to be on this recursive loop of taking six steps ahead and 5 steps again, since you’ll know precisely what your soul desires. And also you’re gonna convey the fitting alternatives and sources into your life while you’re in alignment and know the best way to entice them.
Ray: How is the teaching enterprise going? Are you full time with it proper now, or do you continue to produce other issues on the aspect?
Benjamin: I nonetheless produce other issues I am engaged on. Being within the funding world, I nonetheless additionally spend money on offers. I’ve additionally syndicated offers. So I perceive that world nicely, and I am nonetheless doing that. Nevertheless, my ardour is in enterprise and transformation teaching and actually having the ability to empower folks for optimistic change. I need to empower CEOs and leaders that actually need to be wavemakers and lead with ardour and coronary heart.
Since I used to be new to podcasting, I knew I actually wanted to fulfill with like-minded people that have been podcasters, which have constructed digital programs and communities. These are usually not issues that I knew the best way to construct ground-up.
I used to be listening to 1 SPI episode and Pat was speaking about SPI Professional. I used to be like, that is a no brainer.
And the readability I’ve gotten inside these previous couple of months is, who I actually serve greatest are folks that know the best way to survive, however do not know the best way to thrive. They’ve constructed a million-dollar enterprise. They do not know the best way to develop their income from one to 2 million, two to 5, 5 to 10, 10 to 25 million, and so forth. I’ve invested and labored with a whole lot of entrepreneurs and folks in numerous levels of their enterprise life cycle, so I perceive their ache factors and progress pains.
The true query is, what life do they really need to create? Let’s first redefine and rebuild your basis of thoughts, physique and soul. Get crystal clear with what life you actually need, and the way you actually outline the phrase “thrive.” Then construct what you are promoting on high of that robust basis.
However early on, when it is zero to 1, while you’re nonetheless making an attempt to know, what’s a drip marketing campaign, proper? What’s your lead magnet? This stuff are new to me. So being a part of an SPI Professional has helped me perceive the way you construct from the bottom up? That was useful for me to only being a part of that group atmosphere, however who I actually serve are those the place it is like, “I’ve created success, a minimum of $1 million enterprise and have a small group. I simply don’t know the best way to take it to the following degree.” Or, “I understand how to construct large success in my profession, however I’ve simply misplaced that spark, that pleasure, that internal happiness.”
One present case research is one among my outdated highschool associates. We graduated highschool in 1997, and I hadn’t spoken to him for over twenty years. So we weren’t in one another’s lives, however as a result of I took Energy-Up Podcasting, I created the Growth Imaginative and prescient Podcast, and he listened to it the primary month it launched, he noticed a submit on FB. He is primarily based in Taiwan. It was one am, and he’d listened to love three of my episodes straight. He could not cease listening to it as a result of he felt caught in his life and what I shared actually resonated with him. He is constructed a number of companies, bootstrapped a number of million-dollar companies and had profitable exits. So he is a confirmed entrepreneur, however that sense of spark and course was lacking in his life.
So after listening to the primary few episodes, he reached out and wished to attach. I hadn’t talked to him in a long time, and we simply caught up. And I did not understand, wow, our values and internal compass are fairly comparable. I used to be like, Mickey, I believe I may also help you. So I took him on as a shopper, and now we speak on a weekly foundation.
And his transformation was night time and day. He realized he’d gotten pulled in all these totally different instructions, however he wasn’t doing issues that fulfilled his coronary heart. As soon as he prioritized that “true north” as a significant part of his resolution making, now how he hires, how he thinks of technique, how he builds his group and empowers them, by way of saying sure or no to alternatives, he’s asking, is that this in alignment with my true north?
He is a artistic artist. He went to artwork college. He is a real artistic, however being an entrepreneur, the place it is all about processes and execution, now it is like, okay, let’s recalibrate you someplace within the center. As a result of in case you lose that creativity, that juice that can assist you get in your movement, then it is simply gonna really feel such as you’re all the time within the hamster wheel.
And now with my teaching, it’s actually managing each. How do I convey out what I name the three core pillars: your creativeness, your voice, your instinct. What you see, what you hear, what you are feeling—that creates the automobile you are in, that creates your internal world, that amplifies your outer actuality. You begin going, working your psychological gymnasium to train as a result of you should create readability within the course you need to go. Now, while you execute and take into consideration the way you’re gonna get there, it is with goal and it is with a sure vitality that, okay, that is in alignment along with your true self.
After working with Mickey for over 6 months, he has reworked as a frontrunner, his mindset on how he approaches his enterprise, household and life has modified fairly dramatically, and we’ve laid down the roadmap on the best way to develop his enterprise 10x-plus for the following two to a few years. And this all began as a result of I acquired over my psychological hump of pondering my voice sounded bizarre, however to give attention to service and launch my podcast!
Ray: Did you already know the avatar, the goal shopper that will be match earlier than you joined Professional? Or was that one thing that turned clearer for you?
Benjamin: I will be sincere, it’s been a journey inside the final six months, so my avatar, my goal shopper turned clearer after becoming a member of SPI Professional.
One of many issues I share on my podcast is the exterior issues you’ll be able to management: your soil, water, solar. Your soil’s your atmosphere, what you are rooted in. Is it nurturing you, or is it depleting your vitality? You’ve got heard the saying, “You’re the sum of the 5 folks you hang around with probably the most,” proper? Similar idea. It is your atmosphere, it is your soil. And I knew previous to SPI Professional I wanted a brand new soil. I wanted to be in a fresh-thinking atmosphere with different entrepreneurs.
And once I joined SPI Professional and began to essentially develop my podcast, that gave me the readability of understanding who I need to serve. However how do I do it in a means that’s most relevant given my most related expertise? And assembly entrepreneurs like Mickey, getting a suggestions loop of who my podcast resonated with.
I believe Pat additionally talked about that often the check is the seventh episode, proper? There’s this factor known as podfading, and it is an actual factor. What am I doing this for? As a result of you do not get that fast response of understanding it’s gonna bear fruit. And what helped push me via was doing it biweekly, as a result of I knew that was a tempo that I would not really feel like I’d be burnt out.
However there have been nonetheless instances when, numbers and downloads, I used to be like, is that this actually resonating with folks? I don’t know as a result of while you’re recording right into a mic, you do not get that fast suggestions.
So there are occasions once I’m doubting myself. However any time I’ve these doubts, it is nearly just like the universe will ship a sign so I do know I’m on the fitting path. I am going to give an instance.
Considered one of my outdated school buddies is an lawyer who works for a nonprofit. He’d been doing it for fairly some time, however he’d began feeling caught. And often once I hear somebody feels caught, my ears perk up. How do I assist? And once I heard what he was going via, I used to be like, “Hey, you may wanna take heed to episode two of Growth Imaginative and prescient. It talks about internal voice. I believe there’s one thing in there which may profit you.” This was again in October, a month after I launched my podcast. I did not hear again from him, and we often speak nearly each quarter. After a pair months handed, my instinct was telling me to see how he was doing. So I texted him.
And he replied saying, “Man, you beat me to the punch. It is not official but, however guess what? I am nonetheless ready for paperwork, however I acquired a verbal acceptance to be a decide.”
He informed me after listening to my episode, he realized the rhetoric, the interior dialogue he’d all the time had. As a result of he thought he felt caught and was simply gonna discover one other job as an lawyer, however he actually desires to serve and make an even bigger affect. And he occurred to see a posting for a decide place. And usually he would in all probability simply move on even throwing his title within the hat, however one thing propelled him to do it. Quick ahead, now he is gonna be a decide within the court docket. And it is like, holy cow. He stated he would not have thought of making use of if he hadn’t listened to that episode.
After which once I heard that, I used to be floored! How might I cease now?! <laughs> That’s only one individual. Think about who else I can affect?
And it jogged my memory of that story that Pat shared, of the one who was injured and began consuming SPI [Michal Szafranski]. And then he ran this marathon. So this for me was in an analogous vein the place I am like, how do I cease now if that is actually making a optimistic affect for folks? I’ve simply gotta proceed and see the place this journey goes.
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